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WhiteAsIce · Jan 28, 2009, 08:32 AM // 08:32

Just checking to see which classes other than Dervs can use EDA effectively. How is this?

[build prof=W/D name="EDA Axe" axe=12+1+1 strength=9+1 earthprayers=9][Cyclone Axe][Whirlwind Attack][Dismember][optional][Flail][Ebon Dust Aura][Enraging Charge][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]
Optional could be:
[["Save Yourselves!"]
[[Lion's Comfort]
Another spammable attack, like [[Power Attack], [[Protector's Strike], etc.
Cover enchantment, like [[Aura of Thorns] or [[Dust Cloak]

Using an Ebon Axe of Fortitude
Last I checked, there's nothing like this on PvX.

silavor · Jan 28, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21

EDA is highly expensive energy-wise to use on a warrior, especially without a zealous weapon. But it could work, since the rest of your skills are adrenaline-only.

Also, rangers/paragons use EDA in their blindbot builds.

Cebe · Jan 28, 2009, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by silavor

EDA is highly expensive energy-wise to use on a warrior, especially without a zealous weapon. But it could work, since the rest of your skills are adrenaline-only.

EDA does last 23 seconds at 9 Earth Prayers, which could increase to 27 seconds with an Enchanting mod. That seems like plenty of time for a Zealous Axe to do it's job and help you raise your energy in time for a recast. Theoretically speaking, anyway.

Arkantos · Jan 28, 2009, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by silavor

EDA is highly expensive energy-wise to use on a warrior, especially without a zealous weapon. But it could work, since the rest of your skills are adrenaline-only.

Also, rangers/paragons use EDA in their blindbot builds.

10 energy every 20 seconds isn't that bad.

Anyways, EDA isn't all that effective on a warrior in PvE. Warriors are one of the main sources of damage in PvE. You'll be going for priority targets (monks, resto ritualists, hard ressers, powerful casters, etc). Blind does nothing to them. You'd have to be attacking enemy physicals to make EDA useful, which leaves the priority targets alive. Physicals are generally the last enemies you want to kill, because it's much easier to counter physicals than it is to counter casters (guardian, aegis, ward against melee, etc). So, even if you were to kill priority targets first, the physicals would be the last alive. A few physicals alone aren't going to wipe your party, so using your elite to shut them down isn't effective at all.

I really wouldn't recommend it.

bungusmaximus · Jan 28, 2009, 09:50 AM // 09:50

Besides that, most pve mobs lolstrip EDA when you run in first. You can't cover against mobs carrying for example 3 copies of [chilblains]. D/P or R/D EDA is much better.

turbo234 · Jan 28, 2009, 10:01 AM // 10:01

be manly and bring frenzy/rush over flail/enraging. this isnt a hammer build we're talking about. besides if you're blinding foes its less of a chance you get hit while using frenzy.

Drachnyen · Jan 28, 2009, 10:32 AM // 10:32

EDA is best used on a ranger using volley to shutdown destroyers as they lack condition removal. Outside of this specific use, i don't have it in any builds.

Red Sand · Jan 28, 2009, 11:43 AM // 11:43

Don't be mistaken, this is a good build, but it's not the build for the primary or only Warrior in a group. This would be a good build for the second or third warrior in a large PvE group, allowing you to have damage but be ready for linebacking.

This allows you to put a warrior in the role of melee hate and shutdown a physical target. That warrior can still deal damage like normal on their squishies, but is set up to lineback physicals trying to kill your healers and casters.

newbie_of_doom · Jan 28, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

If you play a blindfag (EDA) you should be ashamed, especially in PvEland!!!

cognophile · Jan 28, 2009, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Warriors are one of the main sources of damage in PvE.

An interesting thought. Maybe I should try adding a warrior to one of my pve h+h groups. I normally don't use any.

kupp · Jan 28, 2009, 02:28 PM // 14:28

EDA is only usefull in PvP. Go do some RA with it and enjoy all the sins raging off when they can't do shit.

Snow Bunny · Jan 28, 2009, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Warrior utility comes from knockdowns, not from being an AoE blindbot. Give that role to a midline character and go back to killing stuff.

I'd rather have Earthshaker than the blind.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jan 28, 2009, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Red Sand

Don't be mistaken, this is a good build, but it's not the build for the primary or only Warrior in a group. This would be a good build for the second or third warrior in a large PvE group, allowing you to have damage but be ready for linebacking.

This allows you to put a warrior in the role of melee hate and shutdown a physical target. That warrior can still deal damage like normal on their squishies, but is set up to lineback physicals trying to kill your healers and casters.

Don't be mistaken, Red Sand doesn't know what he is talking about.

EDA is horrible on a Warrior bar like this, it's one thing sacrificing such a powerful damage class to defense, it's another to make the defensive build complete crap. Which is what this is.

The only reason EDA was ever effective was because it was run by ranged characters, or characters using ranged weapons. If you look at the Derv EDA build they use a spear and some quick recharge spear attacks combined with some other random derv buffs.

Running around after 1 target in order to inflict blind and then having to switch, run after the other melee, switch run after previous melee whos blind is now removed/run out etc etc is simply not practical, never mind effective.

Using ranged weapons bypasses all this running around and makes the blind quicker and easier to apply. So if you really want to run this on a Warrior do it with a spear, flail and some quick recharge/low adrenaline spear attacks. Even like this I would only run it if I was desperately looking for some way to inflict mass blind.

There's nothing like it on PvX wiki because it's THAT bad.

Red Sand · Jan 28, 2009, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Don't be mistaken, Red Sand doesn't know what he is talking about.

This is what I do know: In PvE, teams get wiped because they don't know how agro works. If they knew how agro works, they could protect their healers. It would take a little longer longer to kill their targets but it wouldn't be as critical to kill targets as fast as possible.

Instead they bring as much damage as they can so that they can compensate for all the damage they are going to take and hope that their healers can outlast the damage. Most equate a good offense for their defense. Most incorrectly blame warriors when mobs are running around in the backline killing off the healers and the casters.

In regard to my previous post, perhaps I should have explained myself more clearly. I was applying the OP's build with idea that allows you to bring in that guy from your guild who needs the mish as a warrior, even though the group would be more suited with some other class in that spot. I looked at Cyclone Axe and thought it was a poor choice for using as a secondary warrior to apply mass blinds, but then decided that I wouldn't use it to inflict mass blind. I would use EDA for linebacking... that's it. Neutralizing one melee can make the difference in keeping your healers from running out of energy.

I might have been thinking too far outside of the box. /shrug

We can agree to disagree, eddie. You do your thing. I'll go back to being ignorant of High End PvE tactics.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jan 28, 2009, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Red Sand

This is what I do know: In PvE, teams get wiped because they don't know how agro works. If they knew how agro works, they could protect their healers. It would take a little longer longer to kill their targets but it wouldn't be as critical to kill targets as fast as possible.

Instead they bring as much damage as they can so that they can compensate for all the damage they are going to take and hope that their healers can outlast the damage. Most equate a good offense for their defense. Most incorrectly blame warriors when mobs are running around in the backline killing off the healers and the casters.

In regard to my previous post, perhaps I should have explained myself more clearly. I was applying the OP's build with idea that allows you to bring in that guy from your guild who needs the mish as a warrior, even though the group would be more suited with some other class in that spot. I looked at Cyclone Axe and thought it was a poor choice for using as a secondary warrior to apply mass blinds, but then decided that I wouldn't use it to inflict mass blind. I would use EDA for linebacking... that's it. Neutralizing one melee can make the difference in keeping your healers from running out of energy.

I might have been thinking too far outside of the box. /shrug

We can agree to disagree, eddie. You do your thing. I'll go back to being ignorant of High End PvE tactics.

Not much of what you said in that post was really relevant at all to why the build is bad. In fact the tiny but which was relevant, I have already disproved and said why it isn't good to do that.

Also I don't PvE much, I'm a PvP'er, if you can PvP, PvE becomes far to easy.

WhiteAsIce · Jan 28, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Wiki doesn't have terms listed. What's a blindbot? What's linebacking?

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 29, 2009, 12:18 AM // 00:18

A blindbot is someone who focuses on spreading blind.

Linebacking refers to defensive melee tactics where you fight in the backline, interfering with the opponents melee.

Arkantos · Jan 29, 2009, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sand

Don't be mistaken, this is a good build, but it's not the build for the primary or only Warrior in a group. This would be a good build for the second or third warrior in a large PvE group, allowing you to have damage but be ready for linebacking.

This allows you to put a warrior in the role of melee hate and shutdown a physical target. That warrior can still deal damage like normal on their squishies, but is set up to lineback physicals trying to kill your healers and casters.

If you want to lineback in PvE, you're better off playing earth shaker. Being able to shutdown anything is much more effective than being able to shutdown physicals.

Winterclaw · Jan 29, 2009, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

EDA does last 23 seconds at 9 Earth Prayers, which could increase to 27 seconds with an Enchanting mod. That seems like plenty of time for a Zealous Axe to do it's job and help you raise your energy in time for a recast. Theoretically speaking, anyway.

But if you switch to zealous you are going to lose your earth mod. So you are going to have to keep switching weapons.

BTW, it takes about 8 seconds to recharge 5 energy for a warrior or 15 seconds to recharge 10. So if you aren't using any other skills that require energy, you should be okay.

Fourex · Feb 01, 2009, 08:07 PM // 20:07

I used a build such as this yonks ago when doing Fissure with friends, a cover was necessary. I used vital boon same recharge and cheap.

Would probably run earthshaker these days though or otherwise Warrior's Endurance scythe for fun.